про отключение форума / about forum shutdown
1. Нового дизайна не будет
2. Форум закрывается по 2-м причинам:
а)необходимость технического обслуживания кода
б)организация новой политики в зоне "все о тату"
Новая политика может быть сформулирована как "НЕТ ФЛУДУ"
Примеры флуда в расширенном понимании:
-отступление от темы
-перепалки личного характера
-хамство, жлобство, тупость, инфантильность - на усмотрение модераторов
-необоснованные обсеры типа "песня говно", "клип фуфло", "мудаки"...
(любая, самая бескомпромиссная критика, изложенная в тактичной форме, по-прежнему, приветствуется)
-необоснованные восторги типа "ща сойду с ума", "ща умру", "вы лучшие"...
Зачем это делается?
Отвечаю: перегруженность флудом создает форуму имидж, отталкивающий многих новых и старых интересных участников и привлекающий неинтересных.
Местное "Министерство Контроля" заинтересовано в интересной дискуссии и привлечении дополнительных интересных людей/мнений.
"Министерство Контроля" не заинтересовано в превращении форума в playground для детей младшего школьного возраста и в сливной бачок для озлобленных личностей.
3. Модерирование остальных зон будет сведено к минимуму: удаление спама.
1. There will be no new design.
2. The reasons for the forum shutdown are:
a) urgent need in tech. service of the codebase
b) need in implementing of the updated politics in "All about t.A.T.u." area
This latter new politics motto can be described as "No To Flood"
Some examples of "flood" in broad interpretation:
- offtopic conversations
- personal cross-talks
- rudeness, bluntness, unreasonable and ungrounded childishness
- ungrounded biased grossness of the "song sucks", "video is shit", "team are jerks" kind...
(each and every supported critics in the form of useful conversation is still much appreciated)
- ungrounded expressive shouts like "I'm gonna die", "I'm gonna go crazy", "you're teh best"...
Why?
The answer is: the present excessive overload of "flood" in the forum makes the image of it to be unpleasant to many of the new and old interesting members with deep thoughts, and attractive to the uninspiring and commonplace ones.
The local "Department of Control" is looking forward to achieve results in form of interesting discussions, new interesting broad-minded and thoughtful forum members.
The "Department of Control" is not inspired with idea of forum turning to a playground for elementary school kids and to a dump tank for bitchy asocials.
3. Moderation of the other subforums will be limited to "spamicide".
Re: про отключение форума / about forum shutdown
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Re: про отключение форума / about forum shutdown
I love Yulia Volkova
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Re: про отключение форума / about forum shutdown
I just don’t get the mentality of bitching. Constructive criticism…when I feel it serves a valid purpose, fine. But I can’t deal with the negativity. It makes me sick to my stomach. It literally makes the forum an unbearable place to be. And I think that is what a lot of people don’t realize. They get mad, blaming management for the loss of fans. But there are a number of fans that are being lost because of all the negativity created by other, more vocal, fans. The only reason I am not on tatu.ru today, is that the place depresses me. My friends have all left or lost interest because of that negativity. The only reason I’ve lost some interest in Tatu is because it simply isn’t as fun to be a fan of something when you don’t have people to discuss it with, enjoy it with. It’s not fun to share your ideas and thoughts when you are in a minority, and not just in a minority, but a despised minority. Because if you support Tatu or management, you “idolize” them. People talk about you behind your back, saying that you kiss their ass, you just want attention, you just want to be like a teacher’s pet. But no, it’s just what I believe, what I feel, who I am and how I react to things. But I am mocked for it by an angry mob. A mob who hates management and everything that supports it. I feel sick because people are mean and hurtful to something I care about. I feel helpless because nothing that ever happens is good enough for people and they can’t help but be angry. I’m empathetic and sensitive, and I can’t handle that kind of negativity.
I don’t know…but when that is the most vocal element on a Tatu fan site…it isn’t the most welcoming to new and old fans who just want to enjoy Tatu. And yet people are shocked that Tatu could lose a fan.
If I weren’t a stronger person, every mean word in a weak moment could make me lose just a little bit more respect for Tatu, lose just a little bit more interest. The negative and critical fans feel they are launching a revolution. That they need to fight against management, like rebels need to overthrow a tyrannical government. They feel justified. And, maybe they are, at the root of their cause. However, unlike a government, which only exists to serve the people, Tatu does not only exist to serve the fans. They also exist because a team of people want to creatively express themselves and have decided to and are able to share it with fans. Now, if their goal is fame and money, then yes, they will be servants to the fans. If their goal is simply to create and share and spread their message, they are only servants to the fans to the extent that it is a symbiotic relationship. They owe fans nothing. So try to overthrow all you want…but is it really what is best for Tatu? Is it best for the fans? Because right now, the level of brutality, this isn’t a peaceful revolution, it’s bloody. Those that just want to enjoy the ride are being punched in the face. Even if you succeed, all you’ll be left with is a group of angry, blood thirty people, who, truly aren’t even fans anymore, do you really still like tatu? And two women standing alone without any of the support system they had, as you ripped all of that to shreds, that are then expected to dance like puppets for you, because you’ve saved them from their horrible management that was dragging them down? I mean, personally, I can’t wish you all luck on that mission.
As this is already ridiculously long, I wrote the rest on my own blog.
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BlogNath Re: Re: про отключение форума / about forum shutdown
You seem happy about the present state of tatu.ru as a proof of that the policy you were using before, when you were a mod, was better...
I personally think that tatu.ru has improved: because it has left people expressing themselves with less censorship, and I think it's a very positive point....
So what is your regret about? About the same 4 or 5 persons who were debating before?...
It isn't the present better freedom of expression which has to be taken as a target...it's just that the fans of tatu have changed...they are younger and they have their own specific language, way to express themselves......
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So instead of trying to clean, to come back to a previous situation which was a real SHAME, may be it's better to understand that a forum is something fantastic because it's a real mini society.......
The role of moderators isn't to censure, it's to have the maturity to help people to live together in a correct way.
It's a secret for nobody that the mods of tatu.ru have a special position: they aren't allowed to criticize the girls and they aren't allowed to criticize the management even if there are sometimes some obvious reasons to do it
So I agree that it isn't an easy job for them.
I have a lot of respect and affection for two of them whom I know: An and Odette. I love them.
But may be they (with other mods) should be more present on the forum...
And instead of what you were doing before: to send a private message with the rules of the forum in asking to shut up when you were expressing some critics (in a polite way , I concede it :) )...but the result is the same...you asked to people to shut up if they weren't treating the girls as "idols/saints"...
..so, sorry for my too long sentences, may be , instead of practicing this "private censorship", would it be better to try to explain "openly" on the forum what is wrong in the way some members express themselves...
Why? Because you'll always get new members, new rebels, new members who are searching for their own personality and who don't see the "community" importance...
If the mods explain "in public" to the members what doesn't fit in their attitude with the idea of exchanging constructive ideas...the consequences won't be understood by other fans...
Mods have really to teach to people how to behave...for the good of a community...
Insider said he/she was opened to constructive criticisms: this is a big progress and I just hope that this big cleaning and the memory of what are the rules won't be = to a return to the "mono-way" discussions which were existing before...because it would be very , very sad for this forum.
The past has proved that the critics weren't so stupid...adn a feed-back is something very importaant which has to be preserved for the "Good" of Tatu.
Just "fanatic" comments leed nowhere, especially in the present situation...
They have to exist, as criticisms have the right to exist too...because it's this pluralism which build a society.
So just to clean an appareance won't resolve any kind of problem...it will just hide them...
To favorize the dialog and to teach the respect of all the different points of view in an "open way" seem, from my point of view, the best way to improve things...
But it's just my point of view.
ReturnToHades Re: Re: Re: про отключение форума / about forum shutdown
The main reason for my joy could be cited as this statement "The "Department of Control" is not inspired with idea of forum turning to a playground for junior school kids and to a dump tank for bitchy asocials."
In my personal opinion too many people are flooding the forum with meaningless posts, having random chit chat, just being argumentative with each other, acting childish and silly. Almost like the crazy aolers who spam the tatugirls.com forum. So I am happy on the sole basis that management intends to save the forum from becoming a mindless hell hole of 12 year old AOLers. 12 year old AOLers are the bane of my online existence and need to be exterminated. Spam, flood and offtopics simply irk the senses out of me.
Perhaps I am an old and boring person, an elitist bitch who wants conversations to be in a particular way and am not able to adapt to the way kids speak nowadays. But like a grumpy old person I am simply nostalgic of the times when we could discuss current affairs, politics, society and lot more other meaningful discussions on the forums. It just seems the meaningful topics and the participation in various discussions have gone down.
Perhaps the lack of exciting development on tatu's end has driven away some of the more thoughtful discussion participants. Hopefully, management has a plan to attract all them back through whatever they intend to do.
*sheesh* I do sound like a version of my parents going "Back in our day.....", "When we were your age....."
Other than that I do not visit the actual tatu section of the tatu.ru forum much, so could not say much about it at all. Even in the forum I am part of I just quick check to see whats new and post once in a while.
In all honesty, I have no clue how things are run in the forum and have no right to comment anything on it at all. I probably should have not said anything in the first place. But I just did because I thought it to be an excellent idea to get rid of all people with the IQ of 12 year old AOLers.
Although I did want to clarify that as a moderator I did not have any special directives. I was never told not to criticize the girls or management. I was never told to censor any specific topics or people. I enforced the rules of the forum, the way I interpreted them. I did what I believed to be in the best interests of the forum. I did act in good faith intending to have a harmonious forum. Somethings were right, somethings I did mess up and do wrong. I am human after all. Perhaps to some it was all wrong, because not everyone has the same perception of rules or best interests. What I really want to clarify was that whatever right or wrong done by me during my tenure falls squarely on me, and I accountable. Management had nothing to do with it.
I am not going to state anything further on the subject as I have realized that I am really out of the loop. I have no clue what is going on, and am not equipped to make any informed statement. My personal perceptions really have no value as someone not in loop with things.
If people have concerns with anything related to what I did as a moderator, they can contact me privately. As for the present and future of the forum, management and the current forum administration is better equipped to answer and discuss that.
I merely made a nostalgic comment of a situation I really am not fully aware of. I not much in loop with the forums, the discussions and how they are run and keep up with things on a personal basis, checking for news, videos etc. It is not fair of me to discuss something I am sort of clueless about.
